Will David Bain head the Paper-boys union?
By: bringbackdemocracy
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By: Tim
The Bill won’t mean that every person who provides labour for hire or reward and who is aged 16 or under will need to be paid the minimum wage because there is no minimum wage for people aged 15 and under (see s4 Minimum Wage Act 1983). Ten year olds already have the right to go to the Employment Relations Authority.
Section 18 Health and Safety in Employment Act 1992 already says that principals must take all practicable steps to keep their contractors safe. In addition, r 58A Health and Safety Regulations 1995 extends the protections afforded to young employees to young contractors, which include protections such as a prohibition on young workers working with machinery or doing any dangerous work.
The Minors’ Contracts Act 1969 already says that contracts are unenforceable against minors but otherwise have effect as if the minor were of full age, unless a court decides otherwise. So, if you hire a paperboy as a contractor you can’t actually enforce that contract against him unless a court decides it is fair and reasonable. Contracts of service (employment agreements) may be entered into by minors but courts may examine whether those contracts are harsh or oppressive or unconscionable.
The difference would largely be around Holidays Act entitlements and other minimum employment code provisions. Hopefully not parental leave at that age.
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By: wat dabney
The aim is to politicise every aspect of everyone’s lives.
There won’t be anything you can do which is not controlled and regulated by the state.
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By: Dazzaman
My kids wouldn’t take any notice of this sort of thing anyway. The older ones will still bribe their lesser’s with an ice cream to do their runs for them, all the while all of them will moan to their mother about their inequitable monetary situation…and she’ll cave & use up my “allowance” (we all know who gets the lions share on payday…straight into her account) to cheer them up!
I never win.
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By: Sadu
In my experience most kids are either employees working for supermarkets etc, or they work for cash. I have never heard of this mythical contractor kid who files their own tax return etc. Does such a thing exist?
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By: Pauleastbay
Sadu
My daughter contracts and has to do the tax thing because she is paid by an agency that has to do the tax thing.
Its that bloody tax thing all the time
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By: salt
Jesus, it’s not as if they’re saying paperboys must now be offered pension plans. All they are proposing is that a 12-year-old working for you on a regular basis have the same legal rights as a 16, 17, 18, or 33-year-old working for you in the same circumstances.
It is utterly ridiculous to consider young children ‘contractors’ – contractors are self-employers, effectively; and in order to conform 100% with the law, that entails a much higher degree of savvy and planning than simply being an employee. Plenty of adults seem cognitively incapable of following the contractor rules, so it seems a bit rough to tell intermediate-age kids they’ve no other option.
As for babysitters etc: plenty of people over the age of 16 babysit, whether for free or for cash. I doubt any of the parents involved pay ACC levies or the like. The sky has not fallen in. By the same token, I doubt that a 14-year-old ‘contractor’ babysitting for several families a month is even aware of the need to declare his/her income, or to pay ACC levies.
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By: Dirty Rat
So I take it that Farrar wants to ensure that paper boys are self employed, pay their own ACC, and contract Accountants to prepare their IR3′s ?
Which of course they wont
By that logic Farrar and the National Party promotes Tax Evasion
Shame on you Farrar
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By: itstricky
Hillarious
I like the constant “the sky is falling!, the commies are coming!” comments followed by Tim’s simple statement of the actual facts. Followed by …. silence. Nothing like a few facts to get in the way of a good bit of lefty bashing. Darn it, no wonder this thread is all quiet.
Let’s play a game of …I predict Farrar’s next column will be…
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By: Manolo
And to think Labour made a big deal about Peter Dunne taxing paper boys.
Rightly so, too. Dunne should keep his sticky fingers out of anyone’s pay packet.
It deserves as much condemnation as the socialists’ ludicrous idea.
Thieves from both sides of Parliament.
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By: UglyTruth
My daughter contracts and has to do the tax thing because she is paid by an agency that has to do the tax thing.
She’s not really contracting if the agency is compelled to pay tax. Valid contacts only exist between parties who are not under the power of another (sui juris).
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By: Elaycee
Surely this isn’t the same Lisa Beech who worked for the Hutt South electorate between 1990 – 1992? And the same Lisa Beech who subsequently worked for Twevor himself?
Nah – surely not? 😯
http://nz.linkedin.com/pub/lisa-beech/15/b86/946
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=190935
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By: Viking2
Are the unions that desperate for funds?
Really, well with the startling and rapid demise in newspapers being delivered I guess the membership will be fuck all.
Have to think of something else to raise funds then.
Now about youth rates. If the useless Nats had dealt to this and we had a proper structure to work under that reflected value for money working then the unionists might have a had a chance to collect but as it is noone wants to employ young people to do anything. Just too expensive for the return.
Sad but true.
Even if the stupid turkey’s, who think that kids are worth paying lots of dosh too, don’t understand simple mathematical logic..
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By: Kea
I don’t think the union should be dealing with these matters – but the police!
I don’t think it is any of their business.
If you crave that level of government interference, then I suggest you move to North Korea.
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By: Harriet
Kea#
“…………”..I don’t think the union should be dealing with these matters – but the police!..” -I don’t think it is any of their business Harriet. …..If you crave that level of government interference, then I suggest you move to North Korea….”
Charles Dickin’s ‘child mills’ are less dangerous than NZ roads!
And you reckon that kids should work and babysit at the same time on them?
Of course it is a police matter…….does the executive think it isn’t? 😎
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By: burt
You are all missing the point…. This is about employment stats – Labour want to be able to say they have created [x] thousand new jobs by rearranging the deck chairs and reclassifying existing “jobs” … Plus of course this will provide additional funding for unions which = more donations to Labour…. Think self serving unions and self serving policies and the answers reveal themselves.
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By: Monique Watson
Wreck1080:
Kids mature differently. A parent is the only one who can judge what their kids are capable of. In my opinion, fourteen is ridiculous as a designated age that you can leave kids alone.
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By: peterwn
Legislation in recent times stops kids working very early in the morning. Result – paper boys and girls have been laid off and replaced by car driving adults who heave them out of the window and it is hit and miss whether they land in the gutter.
As for ‘sub-contracting’ – what about the parents roped in to help sometimes.
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By: Cato
Reid – I understand that the Holy See has recently been cracking down hard on the way that nominally Catholic organisations have simply come to mirror bien-pensant left secular advocacy groups.
However, this rot is somewhat inevitable – it’s good to bear in mind O’Sullivan’s Law that any organization that is not expressly right wing will become left wing over time.
Do you think anyone at Caritas has ever heard of, let alone read, JP2’s encyclical Centesimus Annus? Do you think they would even comprehend its lucid critique of the modern welfare state? No – and for that reason they do not act in accordance with social justice which, after all, is a Catholic idea.
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By: kowtow
Cato @230
re Caritas etc Couldn’t agree with you more. Large elements of the hierarchy and various other branches appear not too far removed from being agents of the old enemy,the friggen commies.
They’ve bought into “social justice,climate justice,” and any number of other fashionable causes,
Sometimes I feel like crossing the road to the Orthodox.
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